Talk:Mathematics Jobs Wiki 2009-2010 (Teaching)
First-round vs. second-round phone interviews
For places marked "JMM/phone interviews held" or similar, is there a way to distinguish between the ones that are doing phone interviews as a second round of interviews and the ones using them as an alternate first round for people who couldn't attend the JMM?
- This is a good idea, and I would like to make this distinction. Let me suggest writing "JMM/phone interviews held" to indicate alternate forms of first-round interviews and "JMM interviews held, phone interviews subsequently held" to indicate second-round phone interviews. --Applicant 11:50, 2 February 2010 (PST)
- Why not just say "phone interviews held (2nd round)"?
- Sounds good to me; that's easier. --Applicant 13:58, 2 February 2010 (PST)
New symbols not an improvement (but they got fixed)
I don't really have anything constructive to say, I just don't find the new system to be very illustrative.
- Mainly I just think that what was there before was verbose. Brevity is very important for these pages. If you can think of some other way to abbreviate the point, fine by me. But note that the symbols just have a learning curve; surely you can get used to them. Wiki Nonmoderator 09:39, 12 February 2010 (PST)
- Fair enough, I see your point. The soul-crushing disappointment that inevitably occurs every time I check this page has just started to get to me.
- Not sure if this is just me, but depending on the computer I use I can't see the right images. I am sure I haven't bothered to install support for some font or another, but this is what the key looks like on my computer. Kind of hard to differentiate the phone symbol from the campus symbol. Collapsor 15:57, 13 February 2010
- You have a point. These are "standard" Unicode symbols, and I'm sure that the fonts out there will catch up eventually, but have they? I am open to alternatives, as long as people use entries in the key. What system are you using? (Also, folks, please "sign" with four tildes or the signature button in the edit window.) Wiki Nonmoderator 09:21, 13 February 2010 (PST)
Okay, in response to mixed feedback, I changed the symbols to something less fancy. Maybe hieroglyphics is the wrong approach here. Wiki Nonmoderator 09:44, 13 February 2010 (PST)
- Could someone elaborate on the proper usage of "!"?? For example, what is the implication of (C) vs. (C!)?? I was originally thinking that "!" could be used to indicate that the campus interviews are over. However, it has been brought to my attention that schools could potentially invite a new round of applicants for campus interviews if the first wave was ultimately unsuccessful, for one reason or another. --Aeyust 14:45, 14 February 2010 (PST)
- That's a good question. As stated, "!" is an abbreviation for "held". Maybe a more useful meaning of the symbol would be for interviews that have been completed. I personally have no feel for the teaching job market, and this is a wiki, so feel free to improve the notation. Wiki Nonmoderator 18:28, 14 February 2010 (PST)
- I personally have no feel for the teaching job market - I think we just got dissed :) Collapsor 20:15, 16 February 2010 (PST)
- If schools end up needing to do a second round of interviews, then a (C2) or something to the effect might illustrate this well enough (in addition to strike-through names if people chose to post their names). I used (C!) myself recently. And as for the teaching job market, I really don't have a feel either. There seems to be a lot of silence from schools, and (some) lack of info here. I wonder if people know about this particular page? Compare, for example, the Research version and you'll see what I mean. Cbmckinn 00:10, 17 February 2010 (CST)
- It seems like most of the teaching jobs haven't done much yet. I had seven JMM interviews, plus one first-round phone interview a few weeks later. Of those eight, I got a rejection from one, I know from this page that one other has gone on to second-round interviews, and absolutely nothing from the other six. I've heard nothing from them, other than one asking me for my citizenship status, and none of them have been updated here since the JMM.--Wade 07:39, 17 February 2010 (PST)
- If you look back to the previous teaching jobs wiki, then this year it seems that there is significantly more activity. I do believe that the missing information originates from the lack of awareness of the site in the teaching market, in addition to the fact that applicants are just not listing their names when they get interviews. As far as I call tell, this is the main difference between the research and teaching pages. Also, it seems that those searches began significantly before the teaching positions. The majority of the information that I provided came from replies to emails I had sent explicitly asking for my status in their search, which is how I knew that many schools were scheduling interviews (though not with me). I find that most schools are willing to be honest, and I don't think that doing this could hurt your chances in any way for a position. --Aeyust 08:50, 17 February 2010 (PST)
- Good to know, Anne. I've been refraining from posting info gained from talking with friends on the market (I'd never post their names of course), but never thought to email some of the schools I haven't heard from since the JMM. I don't want to come across as pestering, though...but the stone silence is really starting to drive me crazy :(. Hopefully things are going well for everyone else! Cbmckinn 17:00 17 Feb. 2010 (CST)
- I think this page is beneficial simply in keeping track of the status of searches, so I encourage everyone to post what they know about how far along various schools are even if they're not comfortable listing names. (For example, I also wouldn't write a friend's name here, but I don't see anything wrong with writing "(C)" if someone I know has a campus interview or "offer" if someone I know receives an offer, and that information is helpful to other applicants.) --Applicant 16:31, 17 February 2010 (PST)
Teaching page policies, and posting names
To address a couple of points in the previous thread. First, yes it is true that I don't have much connection to the teaching job market. But this is something that should be addressed by getting other people to help more with the page. I don't truly dismiss it as unimportant, only that I'm not the best person to decide everything here.
Second, about posting names. If your friends have shared confidential information with you about their job status, then you certainly shouldn't violate their trust. But you shouldn't treat all such information as automatically taboo. You could ask people if it's okay to post their names. In my opinion, it is a real service to the community to reveal who actually gets interviews and who actually gets hired. Wiki Nonmoderator 15:46, 22 February 2010 (PST)